Inside Flanks (Circle on Command) (Part 1)

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Even if the dog's already competent at driving, teaching inside flanks or circling on command will not necessarily be easy.

Once the dog can do it, the dog's confidence and control over the stock will grow considerably.

In this tutorial, Andy demonstrates how he uses tricks, commands, encouragement and lots of excitement, to teach the dog its inside flanks and to circle the sheep in front of him.

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5 Replies to “Inside Flanks (Circle on Command) (Part 1)”

  1. When driving sheep from a distance could you use the come by and away commands to position the dog correctly and then stop it before it goes round the sheep? or are you better just keeping these commands for gathering?

  2. Hi Andy,

    Just curious why you changed the dog’s command to Lie Down from Stand, (if it was already effective in stopping it)? It seems that stopping is the intention, not the position. The command used seems to vary from shepherd to shepherd. Is it to get a two-syllable command, so the dog has less chance of missing it? Is the stand position preferred because it is less strain on the dog’s joints when there’s so much repetition of the stop, or perhaps because it is less threatening to the sheep, so will keep them calmer?

    Thanks.

    Gill

    1. This is a curious one, Gill.
      Years ago, I used “Stand” because it was ideal for using in a short, sharp manner. In other words, to grab the dog’s attention. Over the years though, I’ve found that a longer, drawn-out command often works better than a short, sharp one. There are two reasons for this. Firstly, I try to avoid short sharp commands because they can actually excite the dog (especially when repeated rapidly) making it more difficult to control. Secondly, I’ve carefully observed dogs while I and others train them, and I’ve noticed that although a sharp command may be effective momentarily, once the command is no longer audible, some dogs seem to assume it’s OK to carry on as they were before the command sounded. For this reason, when a dog is proving difficult to stop, I drag the command out for much longer. I find this more effective in most cases.
      You should bear in mind that as the dog learns to work effectively, it will use the handler’s tone and the urgency in their voice, combined with the dog’s interpretation of the situation to decide how they react to the stop command. For example, many handlers (including me) use the stop command gently when they just want the dog to slow down a little – or they’ll use the same command more urgently and in an abrupt manner to actually stop the dog. This method gives an infinite variation in the intensity of the command – as interpreted by both dog and handler as a team.
      I changed to “Lie down” because if you drag it out over two or three seconds it doesn’t sound quite as strange as dragging out “S – T – A – N – D!”
      Although I use the “Lie down” command these days, I actually prefer the dog to stay on its feet because when faced with aggressive sheep, I think the dog will feel safer (and less vulnerable) standing on its feet, rather than lying down on the ground.

      1. Thanks, Andy, that’s really useful. I can see why a dog would prefer to stand with strong sheep! My dog got some ‘not easy’ sheep for his second attempt recently, & changed his behaviour from quiet & relaxed with the first attempt a month ago (Hebridean sheep)- to very intense & pushy -pity it was my first handling experience! The ‘not easy’ sheep soon decided to co-operate with him. The trainer said he was a very powerful dog. I hope my dog will adjust back for quiet sheep!
        To my surprise, the rushing sheep made a very loud rustling noise as they whisked round, preventing me from hearing my trainer’s directions at times, so it must be the same for the dog, which I’ll bear in mind.
        I am reviewing a number of commands he is familiar with as a pet, as the usage isn’t the same for the sheepwork & the pet situations, which is temporarily confusing to both of us! eg. Lie Down has been exactly that at home, & also as a safety fast drop from free running, so having to accept a partial lie-down or stand sometimes when it’s used with sheep is an interesting variation i hope he won’t try applying to other commands! Gill

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